Sunday School and hide in the bushes behind the church and when service was over I’d come out and join the people leaving. Thanks for weighing in. Human men created their gods to explain the the unknown and elevate themselves in a constructed hierarchy. He merely said they were people who have done subjectively “good” deeds and therefore more humanist than “Jesus.”. It reminds me of that Twilight Zone where everyone was sucking up to this little kid because he had powers to destroy anything he wanted, so everyone pretended he was so great so they wouldn’t be killed. I raised my daughter without the dogma, criticism and polarity of “religion,” encouraging her to explore the many facets of human life without the stigma of a misaligned status quo thinking model. If one believes that the concept of “god” cannot be known by the human animal, then one is more traditionally a Huxley agnostic. did we get here?” you may ask. We’re all in need of being better and gooder and nicer etc. "Difference Between Atheism And Secular Humanism." Sep 8, 2020 - Explore Stephanie Maffei's board "Secular Humanism", followed by 221 people on Pinterest. I assume you didn’t mean to, but you do kick sand when you refer to the word of God as a comic book or the sarcastic under current when you wrote your view on Christianity. The famous 5th century atomist philosophers Leucippus and Democritus explained the universe in a materialistic framework without allusion to God, religion and mysticism. ultimately established was entirely and deliberately non-theistic, for the Constitution neither endorses, nor opposes any religion.”. In 1980s the Council of Democratic and Secular Humanism (CODESH) endorsed the phrase and gave the term an institutional identity. I’d rather be with the humanists and Atheists thank you. If you say you can choose to have faith in a higher power that makes logical sense but to have to prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt with some particular objective evidence (that may be subjective to someone else) then that logically doesn’t fall in line with believing in a Devine being. Never had a problem then and have none now. The philosophical meaning of secular humanism gained popularity with time. Life, philosophy, human interaction and perception. I’ll post another essay when I have pulled these answers together. I thought but didn’t say “FUCK YOU”, Since the dawn of time, we’ve fought the bifurcated extremes of religion vs. logic/atheism. As we have learned, Evangelical Christians played an important, if not critical role in the victory of Donald Trump as President of the United States of America. And that the only sensible way to live in his world is without rules. Thus, this is my current quest until I find the most valid religion by listing the truths of all. Better Secular Storytelling Makes for Better Humanists Let’s begin with another update. I’m a Christian and know no one like that. Too late now tho, I’m a theist – a christian. morality, with the effect of conflating a Christian population with a secular government. 5. I may have some disagreements, but hey, disagreement is not the barrier towards further knowledge and understanding. whatever the human being is trying to prove is still unproven in a way so how you could rely on a such proof from a weak mind in a weak being. I ignored the divinity I felt in nature, it was all around me. You seem to know what you are talking about. Atheist, Agnostics, Deists and Humanists) are “values”. But it is not a necessary condition to be an atheist. According to Paul Kurtz, considered by some to be the founder of the American secular humanist movement, one of the differences between Marxist–Leninist atheists and humanists is the latter's commitment to "human freedom and democracy" while stating We have a belief or farthing something even if it’s ourselves or one another. I would be interested in the views of humanists here regarding their attitude towards non human animals as property. Hitches said something similar and frankly it’s laughable, feel free to disagree but be kind as I have no power over what I type, those damn particles and neural juices compel me to do it, I wish they would rattle the chain of causation a different way then I could be a progressive atheist. Deep down, they hated and resented him, though but were too terrified (well a few people weren’t) to do anything about it. I believe that the essence of humanism is a sense that humanity as a whole is more important than any of its subgroups. The proof is in the pudding as “they” say…I suppose both you and I will find out when our spirits leave our bodies. Are we spiritual slaves? It is this cohort whose basic misunderstanding and propagandizing of just who we are that needs to be addressed and corrected. There is only one truth. Having been on atheist lists for 15 years, having attended conventions, I can only wonder, outside of the def. “Heaven and hell” are structures to keep the masses “in line,” while “divinely” explaining poverty, abuse, exploitation and human greed and corruption…the veil that justifies and condones truly bad behavior. Repeating Chase’s comment: There is less proof of the existence of Jesus…. What is the point of my faith if I can not defend it? While our Founders were masterful in their creation of a democratically elected republic, they were apprehensive of the “tyranny of the majority.” In a Christian majority society, we need to remember that secular values define our pluralistic and democratic government, and what makes us truly exceptional is our respect for all individual citizens, Christian or not. For you to claim that you have the answes and the only truth is not only arrogant and disrespectful, but refusing to acknowledge, that as a human being, I am not you. I am, however, a definite Ex-Mormon and I’ve never bern happier than I have been since I left. Plus, just because we are well-behaved, tolerant and respectful people to ourselves and each other “doesn’t mean” that we are all moral and virtuous. I just had to remember to listen to me. respecting Life and acknowledging our Differences as believers or non believers to co-exist in this so called planet Earth. PS: the “comic book” reference was a bit snide. After all, you’re right that everyone must find their own way. To counter the argument that says religion is man-made, so is science lol. However, if you mean groups of people subscribing to the rules of human reason and experience rather than nonhuman, divine beings, they would be religious. Of course he would dont you know anything about him? Not to mention the bullshit you’d have gone through your entire life for. I understand mythology gods, supernatural deities and demons. If you believe that being a human is all there is then God(cannot be defined so let’s not go there) will not be available to you. There are plenty of liberal/progressive religious types that do not agree with the Humanist or Atheist way of thinking. God is life. The best one can say is that you have no choice but to think you’re free. I can think of no better phrase to sum up my point than this: “If it doesn’t hurt you or the other person, and if nobody else knows about it, then it shouldn’t be a problem.”. It leads me to conclude they’re all wrong, at least until proven otherwise. the earth’s layers and core……and those places and “GODS”……are most likely to be imagination just something for the god freaks to believe in……………….ERROR 404…GOD NOT FOUND! and unfortunately for you Mary, if you turn out to be wrong, you’re in for a hell of a shock. We can never be a true humanist unless we are first a true atheist. My recently completed “A Short History of Evolution” gives me a couple of benchmarks that will help me find answers that to beyond simple opinions that leave me feeling good. I think I can agree with alot of what you believe too, my view I suppose is naturalistic. You. While there is no good evidence that Objective Morality exists, the presumption that morality is god given, implies that Christians are knowing participants in that moral code, which carries a certain necessary superiority. I’m a Texan! It also implies that atheists are merely passive, unwitting, even reluctant parties to Yahweh’s morality – an inherently inferior morality to a Christian’s. Will that enable me to produce an even more informed product, a synthesis that hopefully is more analogous to milk than to the grass the cow ate to produce it? What I do not understand is why atheists use “hypocrisy” to validate (?) Apart from the many wars throughout history that have had their origins at least in part or at least backed by a belief that their gods are on their side it seems that humans of all cultures and religions hold an implicit belief that our fellow species must be dominated or exterminated. It is essentially a re-telling with different names of numerous other god-kings, namely Horus, or varyingly Osiris. By all means, call yourself whatever you like, I support that sincerely, but do not put negative baggage upon those who embrace the term simply because we see things differently. Why do people need labels that mean they don’t believe in something that they don’t believe in. I’m sorry, but I have to call you out on the “atheists tend toward confrontation with true believers.” As there are always a few zealots in any group of people who feel a certain way, I find this a gross generalization. I seek out the truest religion because none can be proven 100% correct. Atheist: "I have no reason to believe in a god, so I don't" Agnostic: "One cannot know whether or not a god exists." There is less proof of the existence of Jesus Christ than there is of a god. They still practice traditions in the Middle East that we find repulsive. The assumption that somehow there must be something within atheism that replaces God and religion is wrong. More than Mandela, more than MLK, more than Chavez, more than Ghandi? But rather, any controversy resides in the nature of the relationship between our personal religion and our Others never develop diabetes ever. ill tell you that much!! Well said Carl Coon. ‘ if something makes me feel bad…’ nobody ever makes you feel bad – you are CHOOSING to feel bad!!! You are in effect passing the buck to an entity whose existence is unverifiable. To be a nihilist like himself. I assume you’re in the USA, right? Abortions For years I’ve been trying to describe and find my identity. He’ll never be able to prove anything. I happen to find mine as a Christian believer in a church. “I promise you feelings even stronger and greater……” There’in lies a dichotomy. Even then, I suppose I defy the parameters you set. Being an atheist has taught me to be a better person and this became particularly apparent to me when I dropped my Christian ethics and embraced the ethics of secular humanism. – Poch Suzara, Father of Atheism of the Philippines. We are all Social insects with Lol. What if I got a thousand people to tell you there were pink elephants? You would serve the Humanist movement more effectively if you would not refer to religious types as “conservative”. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but if you look at statistics about abortion from planned parenthood, 72% of abortions are obtained by Christian and other people who identify as religious” because they do not want their peers to find out the were pregnant.. sad. You love the ideal dream you have of me, but you do not love not me as I truly am. I call bulls**t when I hear it. SECULAR VALUES ARE AMERICAN VALUES VOLUNTEER We train, empower, and mobilize citizens like you to be savvy political players and change makers. Religion is only human nature after all.Given, each belief (including atheism), has its own flaws/inclarities, yet only one can be at least the most true. ?……not under us!! Once the Puritans landed on our shores the first battle of what was to become our culture wars was engaged. September 27, 2017 < http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/religion-miscellaneous/difference-between-atheism-and-secular-humanism/ >. Perhaps you’ll answer why would he want to. that humanists are people who are concerned with the welfare of all people, regardless of religious affiliations. Unfortunately, not everyone feels that way and this creates anger —> activism, which creates reactive responses from folks who have not experienced some of the same life tribulations of being atheist in a strongly theistic environment. I used to spend a lot of time rebutting people who were incredibly angry that I dared to think differently, but these days I’m more at peace with the idea that you can’t think for anyone but yourself and that each person must choose their own way, and ask themselves difficult questions before they can reach any kind of understanding. Some people love romance, others hate it. It’s not my cuppa, but I support them excepting the most obnoxious fringe, which in the scheme of numbers is really sort of unmentionably small, isn’t it? how you know there is no heaven or no hell or no god relying on science which is proven by a week human not a super one. Dorcas. He was a staunch supporter of August Comte and his brain-child Religion of Humanity. Unconditional Love requires belief, faith, Hope and selfless action. Jimmy, you seem to think atheism must involve determinism, and it doesn’t. By insisting on one or the other, the positions become unnecessarily polarized. This is a very interesting issue. There are no such creatures as “gods” outside of lore and human mythology and until it is proven that a creature worthy of being called “god” exists, I cannot pretend I hold a reserve that is not there. Yes, there are some aggressive atheists, and given the numbers of aggressive theists and what they have done to women’s and human rights re: equality, I must say, bravo/brava to them. Invest in a secular America that protects religious freedom for all faiths and … Home Read More » ”. The important distinction for me is that humanism is independent of atheism and vice versa. My sister’s a humanist and I was just wanting to get a bit of background to her beliefs. In the comments below, TheDude has defended advocating for slavery and for beating slaves. The United States, Inc. is primarily a capitalistic model of profit over people. Now, for people with open minds and hearts, there’s an emerging third cosmos… Come take a look… http://www.wheretonowstpaul.com/brad/. Historical references of the term humanism can be found in the writings of pre-Socrates philosophers, which were rediscovered and archived by renaissance scholars of England. In 1943 then Archbishop of Canterbury used the term to warn the Church about the emerging danger of the philosophy of secular humanism. A deist with strong humanist leanings is likely to be a person that makes a positive contribution to humanity as a whole. The basic tenet of secular humanism is that human beings are capable of being ethical, moral and rational without any supernatural interference of God. One of the most disgusting things I find about the religion I was raised in is that you’re supposed to put god above anyone else, including your family! The whole thing seems absurd. To be an atheist, it is necessary and sufficient to disbelieve the theistic tenet. As a Christian, I didn’t understand the difference between humanism and atheism and it seemed odd to advocate a disbelief in something, namely God. Thank you for these posts! I replied, ” No thanks, I am an Atheist.” ( exact words) She said “NO!” See more ideas about Secular humanism, Atheism, Humanist. These are reasonable distinctions that I find all too often become blurred by someone who may have some aversion to either the term “atheist” or some limited interaction with atheists they reacted strongly to…..and I wonder why it’s so comfortable for otherwise very logical folk to make such a broad statement. For 30 years I heard others tell me to investigate, that I would find the truth. It doesn’t encompass all the views that a person has when it comes to personal values, which is why terms like “humanist” and “secular Jew We collectively by ourselves can’t agree on the simple tenants of society or we have varying degrees of the same thing. Fundamentalist Christians assert that the divine character of our government is derived by the fact that: “God,” “Creator,” and “Providence” are mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. Atheists are evil and are doomed to hell! Nothing. While those who extol religion as the sole formative factor cite the numerous letters the Founders wrote referencing the virtues of religion and morality, the secularist can respond, “Yes, the Founders praised religion & morality, but the government that they He was a Christian, wasn’t he? I could happily call myself an atheist, agnostic or humanist for all the value there is in a term whose definition is not carved in stone or that means the same to all people. There is information out there about humans, evil, and God. One does not imply or justify or create the other. , Mary won’t be suprised if she’s wrong. You seem to be a very reasonable and pleasant bunch. I’d hope….yes…. Religion plays on ‘feeling’. Why? Single-parent households Why would anyone record the life of an ordinary person? The name Jesus Christ is actually not a name at all, but a title, meaning, “Annointed One”. Christians do. If you have a belief so tiny that it is like one mustard seed grain so that one would have to look into a microscope to see it, that you have a spirit body inside of your physical body, that is faith that there is more than this earth life. Nov 1, 2020 - A board meant to open the minds of people to the moral worthiness of secular humanism. As though there is some disconnect, some spiritual circuit breaker overload and ‘pop’: all further comprehension stops. We can go further and assert that on the basis of what we know, it appears highly improbable that we shall ever find proof that such-and-such exists. You are all welcomed to share your opinion of my stance, for I don’t claim that I am right. No, but she might risk never asking, or stop asking, the beautiful question of why as a price for her beliefs. What would convince you? Unfortunately, those who also identify themselves as “atheists” and who enjoy honest and direct communication are often seen as aggressors by those who have baggage with the term “atheist”. What it really boils down to for me is truth and honesty, nevermind the rest . If that makes sense.) Demonic possessions are proof that a spiritual realm that is separate from human existence, yet collides with it, thus pointing to at least the possibility of a superior being that has a divine spiritual entity. (I consider atheism a religion: the belief to not believe. Handler calls himself an atheist and a secular humanist. Most of the literatures on Charvaka philosophy were either destroyed or could not be found, but it was a strong anti-Vedic movement that not only rejected the doctrine of Vedas but rejected the notion that earth was created by God and there is afterlife or re-incarnation. 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